Where Men Win Glory, by Jon Krakauer

Location: Mr. McDowell's Office

Anders Overhaug
Patrick McLoon
Ben Weinrich
Matt Chiu
Tom McDowell


1) Introduction (name, grade, and opinion of the book) (5 minutes)
2. Short disscussion - Describe the book in one word and then go back through and explain why you chose that word.
3. Talk about your favorite character. Why is this character your favorite?
4. Talk about any sections of the book that stood out to you and why.
5. Talk about what you think the authors reasoning was (if any) behind the text? Did it make a statement? Why is this important to the text?
6. Start a discussion about something you thought was interesting about the book.
Agenda 2 (Option 2)

1. Introductions. (5 minutes, due to smaller group)

2. Explain opinions on book and go off of a specific topic brought up in small discussions (though if no specific topic is chosen, go to default option “Characters). (15 minutes)

3. Character Discussion: Explain characters and how they impacted the story, as well as what was special about them. (15 minutes)

4. Describe the book in one word or a single phrase and explain why you chose to say that. (10 minutes)

5. Find specific passages in the book and explain why you liked them or thought they were important. (20 minutes)

6. Talk about opinions on the US army and governments covering up cases like Pat Tillman’s. (5 minutes)

7. Final thoughts about the book. (15 minutes)

8. Other discussions. (5 minutes)
Agenda 3 (Option 3)
Intro: (5-10 min)
-Did you like the book? Why or why not?(5 min)
-What are your thoughts of Pat Tillman’s choices? Do you agree
or disagree?(10 min)
-What passages do you feel form the best example of the book’s message?(25 min)
-How do you think Pat would have reacted to the attempts to cover his death?(10 min)
-What is the message of the book?(15 min)
-Has the discussion changed your view of the book?(5 min)
-Has the book changed your view of the U.S. government and Army? If yes how?(5 min)
-Final thoughts(5 min)

How did you feel when you discovered the military was using extensive measures and orders to prevent Tillman’s family from discovering how he died?

Should the members of the cover-up conspiracy been more harshly punished? How?

Do you think the differences in testimonies of Pat’s death are unsettling? Could it have been planned?

Were the punishments for the soldiers in Sgt. Greg Baker’s humvee appropriate?

If you were Pat during 9/11
, would you have made the same decision as him or remained in the NFL? Why?

Who, in the end, was most responsible for Tillman’s death?


Corporal Pat Tillman
Marie Tillman - Pat’s wife
Kevin Tillman - Pat’s brother
Dannie Tillman - Pat’s mother
Patrick Tillman Sr. - Pat’s father
General McChrystal - Recently retired US Army general who covered up Tillman’s death
Specialist Trevor “Buzz”Alders - the Ranger who fired the shots that killed Tillman
Staff Sergeant Greg Baker - Ranger in charge of Humvee that directed fire at Tillman’s position
George W. Bush - the President who used Pat as propaganda for support of the wars
Lt. David Uthlaut - Ranger in command of Pat Tillman’s platoon
Bruce Snyder - Head football coach at ASU where Pat played college football

Link to Stephen Colbert's interview of Krakauer:
New York Times book review:

Jason is sitting in the lounge working on homework, all of a sudden Trisha comes over to say hi. As jason and Trisha are talking he noticed that they both are reading the book Where Men Win Glory by Jon Krakauer. This is how the conversation goes.

Trisha: Hi Jason! How are you doing?
Jason: Trisha!! im doing great how are you?
Trisha: Fantastic. I noticed we are both reading the same book Where Men Win Glory.
Jason: Yes we are. I love it!
Trisha: Really? Im not a fan of it.
Jason: How are you not? It is a novel of ones life and how he gave up his life long dream that came true to serve in the military because he believed it was the right thing to do.
Trisha: I understand that but it just doesn't make sense.
Jason: What doesn't make sense?
Trisha: That someone who was living his dream and a great life decided to throw it all away to serve in the military where there are already hundreds of thousands of people serving.
Jason: Thats true but, he was dedicated to his country and believed that it was the right thing to do. And he was a great soldier and did a great job. And was shot by accident. What do you think would have happen if he didn't die?
Trisha: I know. It was really dumb how the government tried covering up his death and even used his death and propaganda.
Jason: Yes it was. That was horrible. Everyone deserves to know what really happened to such a soldier. So I think Trisha you need to read the book again and then come back and tell me you didn't like it.

Alec: “Wow, I’m so mad right now. I just read this book called Where Men Win Glory and its ending is one of the worst I’ve ever read.”
Joe: “I just read that book too. It was terrible how the army dealt with Pat Tillman’s death; hiding how he died from his family and the world was atrocious and disrespectful, but learning about Tillman’s earlier life and values was very rewarding.”
A: “I don’t know, a star football player leaves his great life and beautiful wife to get killed by a stupid mistake? Doesn’t seem that worthwhile to me.”
J: “But it’s so much more than that! He realizes that football revolves around greed and money. He turns his back on material wealth to answer his country’s call to arms due to his moral code.”
A: “I can’t fathom why he would do that. Most people would complain and talk but never act.”
J: “That’s the point. He was a great man because he had strong morals and acted upon them. His moral directed him to give up million dollar paychecks for the honor of defending his country.”
A: “How could the members of Sergeant Baker’s humvee ignored repeated radio calls to cease fire and not identified both the AMF soldier and Tillman as friendly targets? It didn’t make sense and the military’s stupidity and cowardice when covering up Pat’s death really bothered me. The friendly fire could have been so easily avoided it made me sick. A smarter man wouldn’t have put his life in the hands of a disreputable system. The Army was knew Tillman was killed by friendly fire and yet still used his death to propagate support for the army.”
J: “Yes, but that’s not the most important part. The story is about an incredibly strong-willed and self-motivated man who never took the easy way out and strove to be the best.”
A: “I guess that’s why he’s dead then. So strong morals and convictions are a good way to get killed...I think I’ll take the easy way.”
J: “If that’s how you feel, fine, but I’m glad there are people like Pat Tillman who leave their families and jobs to protect our country.”